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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 03:41pm on 10/12/2021
In a Bridgerton-esque Central European country where the correct form of address for a baron is "Baron", would it be okay for the characters to address him as such in the English translation or would that make them sound like Americans who don't understand English titles? And specifically in a sex scene, does "Oh, Baron!" sound all right? (It's a screenplay that will be read by London-based producers).
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posted by [personal profile] legionseagle at 03:41pm on 10/12/2021
I think not; his title may be Baron Bridgerton but the mode of address is "my lord".
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 04:28pm on 10/12/2021
Yes, but he's English, so obviously it would be wrong to address him as anything other than "my lord." But the proper mode of addressing a Hungarian Baron is "Baron", so perhaps this would also be all right in English? I admit I'm leaning heavily towards this, but if there#s a consensus that it's wrong, I shall rethink.
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posted by [personal profile] sir_guinglain at 04:33pm on 10/12/2021
Yes, it would be appropriate.
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 04:37pm on 10/12/2021
Thank you for the data point!
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posted by [personal profile] legionseagle at 04:53pm on 10/12/2021
I think it's a sort of Tiffany problem. I agree with you, in principle you shold address him in the form suited to the order of nobility of which he is a member. (Compton McKenzie deals with this in some of his Highland novels, where an American gets very flustered about addressing Hugh Cameron, Laird of Kilwhillie as "Kilwhillie" which sounds to her very informal.) But you do have the problem that it then sounds like incorrect British practice which creates a perceived problem.
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 04:59pm on 10/12/2021
That's it exactly, it's a Tiffany problem!
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posted by [personal profile] legionseagle at 05:07pm on 10/12/2021
In that case, I suggest you put a lampshade on it.
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posted by [personal profile] nineveh_uk at 06:33pm on 10/12/2021
Does it manage to de-Tiffany itself because the Baron is faux!Hungarian, and therefore it gets a pass as exotic? I suspect the London-based producers won't notice in any case, and if someone does they can lampshade in production as [personal profile] legionseagle suggests.

It crops up in Sayers, in that Harriet at some point or other addresses the Dowager Duchess of Denver as "Duchess" (found it, penultimate chapter "Bunter never said that, Duchess!" A line with so much potential out of context!), and in that context it clearly indicates a much greater connection/intimacy than "my lady" would, more like the equivalent of calling your mother-in-law Mrs Wimsey.

I've got to say, while I couldn't even try Bridgerton because I knew it would annoy me, I feel I could manage the Central European version!
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 07:50pm on 10/12/2021
I'd forgotten that bit in Sayers, that's very helpful!

It isn't really Bridgerton (less romance and a lot more plot) but it's roughly the same time period and it steals some of the aesthetic, so I'm sure Bridgerton's success helped it to get green-lighted.

"Oh, Baron!" it is.
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posted by [personal profile] nineveh_uk at 10:34pm on 10/12/2021
Less romance and more plot is even better.
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 03:09pm on 11/12/2021
Backing up your "Duchess" point, I've just got to a bit where the faithful old retainer addresses him as "Baron" and realised that that really doesn't work. He'll have to be "my lord" to the lower orders.
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posted by [personal profile] nineveh_uk at 10:28pm on 11/12/2021
Hmm, yes. I can see that exceptionally the title could work in those circumstances, but in general.
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posted by [personal profile] legionseagle at 11:37am on 11/12/2021
Another Sayers one - I had to look up The Bibulous Business of a Matter of Taste earlier, to check something, and I note that LPW addresses the French count as "Count" whereas he addresses Peter as "my lord."
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 03:11pm on 11/12/2021
Ah, so it would only be good manners to have people address him as "Baron"! Excellent! (Or at least people of the samw rank or higher. I've realised it doesn't work for servants, not without the full title).
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posted by [personal profile] vilakins at 06:11am on 11/12/2021
As it's set in a country that's not the UK, I'd say go for it!
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 03:08pm on 11/12/2021
I have been convinced!

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